At LV Energy Systems we realize the need for instant answers therefore we have created the Luminetworx PoE Lighting FAQ. Here you will find answers to all kinds of common questions that clients have asked. We have tried to make it as inclusive and intuitive as possible. Some FAQ’s will contain links to other pages on the website or to industry experts as a point of reference. If you still do not see the answers you need please feel free to click here and contact us . Please keep in mind that we are always eager and happy to speak to anyone who has unanswered questions or just wants to discuss a project. The Luminetworx PoE Lighting FAQ is constantly being updated so please check back often for updates.
Every Luminetworx™ PoE Lighting systems includes our lighting controls system.
LV Energy Systems has partnered with the Olympus B.A.S and has a full native integration with the building automation system. Additionally through the API we are able to integrate with almost any existing B.A.S that might already be installed.
Yes, once you have installed and logged into the mobile app you can control them from anywhere in the world.
The short answer is no. Some will tell you that yes this is possible and that it will save you a great deal of money as their system can adapt. That is unfortunately blatantly false. To begin aside from and wireless access points all of your existing network cabling is in the walls and not in the ceiling. The second and most important reason is that the power requirements needed from your PoE switch are very specific and anything but an 802.3bt capable PoE switch with the appropriate PoE budget will not work.
Yes, at LV Energy Systems we have PoE fixtures for all needs. Some of the lights we manufacture include, emergency lighting, commercial lighting, residential lighting, high bay lighting, outdoor lighting and many many more. So Luminetwork is suitable for an entire lighting infrastructure in spaces ranging from residential, commercial, entertainment, hospitality and many others.
Yes. All components have been through rigorous testing and certification and have been designed to work exclusively with Luminetworx™ PoE Lighting Controls. All luminaires bearing the Luminetworx™ brand have been designed for optimized output from ultra-low power.
The answer is no. With the use of our special adapters we are able to use one network drop for every two fixture connections. Or in the case of our 6 pack of recessed lights that number would be 12 downlights per every network drop. Regarding the Luminetworx™ accessories we are able to power 4 devices with one network drop and the use of our specialized adapter.
Yes, and here is why. By using the splitter you will save money on cabling. Secondly you will also expedite the installation as less cable needs to be run and terminated. And the third reason is warranty our tested and certified splitters have been factory tested and will not damage any hardware due to under or over current issues.
Luminetworx™ PoE lights consume so little bandwidth that they barely register when using a network inspection and testing tool like Wireshark. Most commands are stored in the actual driver and internal communication between motion sensors and light switches happens via Bluetooth.
Yes, the Luminetworx™ 5- Channel driver, which supports CCT tuning (both White & RGB), will be available in 2022.
Do you have case studies that compare a typical office building with fluorescent lamps versus an “equivalent” power over Ethernet (PoE) application?
Yes we do you may look https://lvenergysystems.com/case-study-downloads on this page you will see a few. We are always adding more based on client installation so if you don’t see what you need please reach out to us at 702-602-7719.
Yes, but not only do we have PoE street lighting, we have the industries most energy efficient. We are able to produce 18000 lumens and consume a mere 90 watts. But here is the most amazing part, we are able to run the network drop at lengths over 1500 feet. Yes that is correct 1500 feet is not a mistake. And we are currently in testing for cable lengths over 2000 feet.
Yes, we offer classes for End Users and Contractors that are both structured curriculum or custom. Please see our training page for more details
Yes, Luminetworx™ carries a full line of UL924 certified emergency exit signs and remote batteries for both the US and European markets.
Not necessarily. While some Luminetworx™ Certified Dealers are electricians, Luminetworx™ is comprised almost entirely, of low voltage components, and need not be installed by a certified electrician. However, local laws and building codes prevail, and may require the use of a licensed electrician or low voltage technician (ex. BICSI TECH). In any case, LV Energy Systems recommends the installation be performed by a Luminetworx™ Certified integrator. But whether electrician or low voltage integrator, we always suggest contracting only experienced and insured contractors.
For high-bay occupancy sensors and fixtures, can you discuss the value of using PoE versus wireless devices?
Luminetworx™ PoE high-bay fixtures and sensors have a huge advantage over traditional high voltage systems. First is the obvious removal of high-voltage cabling. Buy beyond that is the energy savings. We are able to power 18000 lumens at only 90 watts of power. Whereas a comparable high voltage unit will use 240 watts for the same output. We also need to consider the advancements in our installation tech allowing us to runf fewer cable and an de-centralized installation.
PoE Lighting is a great solution for all types of spaces – both commercial and residential, civic or private. We’re the perfect fit for office buildings, warehouses, data centers, hospitals, schools, and campuses; even hotels and other multi-unit residences like apartment buildings and dormitories are a perfect fit. And while its best when Luminetworx™ is installed in new construction and rehabilitation/renovation projects, Luminetworx™ can just as easily be added to existing infrastructure for a more gradual transition.
Luminetworx™, like other PoE technologies, does not require Category 7 or 8 cabling. According to National Electric Code NEC, PoE lighting like ours requires so little power that even Category 6 infrastructure is far more than adequate.
Power over Ethernet (PoE) is the process of sending electrical power and data over copper wire. The combination of data transmission along with power supplying hardware onto the same RJ45 Ethernet connector allows for the transmission of power over the network cabling.
The number of fixtures you can control is only limited by how many fixtures you can fit in the room. Luminetworx™ PoE light fixtures connect wirelessly to all fixtures a room with the click of one button.
The PoE smart pole currently has a capacity of up to 8, 802.3bt (90 watt) ports. Allowing you to power a variety of lighting, surveillance, sensor and communication devices.
Luminetworx™ PoE lighting is 70% more economical to install and costs upto 90% less to operate and 20% cheaper cost of goods.
Luminetworx™ PoE lighting is 90% more energy efficient than fluorescents and upto 50% more efficient than traditional line voltage LED lights.
According to Cisco https://blogs.cisco.com/networking/3-reasons-to-use-poe-lighting the environmental benefits are far beyond what we imagined. According to Cisco the use of PoE lighting further reduces the strain on the planet by eliminating required materials required to build the product and subsequently reducing Co2 emissions.
YES. PoE is safe. Per IEEE standards, PoE is injected into a cable at voltage between 44 and 57V DC, typically 48V DC. Typically, anything less than 35V AC or 60V DC is considered safety extra low voltage (SELV), so by definition, PoE-enabled ports are SELV. That’s not to say that 48V DC can’t shock you (you’d know this if you ever touched your tongue to a 9-volt battery when you were a kid). And no one is recommending that you strip the insulation off of a twisted-pair cable conductor and poke it with your bare hands (especially while soaking wet). But with PoE, you still have little chance of getting shocked from a disconnected cable due to the actual protocol itself. That’s because the power sourcing equipment (PSE) must experience a handshake with the powered device (PD) before any power is delivered. No handshake, no power. That’s quite different than an standard AC power receptacle that is constantly supplying power, regardless of whether you’ve got a device plugged in.
No. The In-wall dimmer switch installs quickly and easily, using the same network cabling as the lights. For an even faster install, try our wireless, battery-operated model.
Is there a color coding requirement for the PoE cabling for lighting versus data or fire alarm system, low-voltage Cat-5 and Cat-6 cabling?
There is no requirement. Likely this will fall into the decision of the IT teams to help easily identify the purpose of a category cable’s responsibility when identified in the ceiling/wall/floor.
IT infrastructure, does PoE lighting increase the cost of the IT infrastructure maintenance, cooling, dedicated space?
That questions depends on how you intend to install the Luminetworx PoE lighting system. If you use a centralized model then yes it will take up more space in the IT room the PoE switches do not put out much heat so minimal additional cooling is needed. IF you use a distributed model then the Luminetworx PoE switches can be installed in closets, plenum spaces or any suitable available space. It really depends on how the system installation is designed although putting all the hardware in a centralized server room make things more convenient the size of the space may dictate a decentralized installation model in order to speed up installation and save on cable costs.
NFPA 70 requires dedicated circuits in the installation of emergency lighting systems. How do you accomplish this with PoE?
We use a completely separate PoE switch connected to a UL924 inverter to deliver an isolated emergency lighting system.
We recommend the use of cat 6 cabling for all Luminetworx™ installations.
What happens when components are discontinued. Is the system components universal enough that any other manufactures’ components can be incorporated into the system? Such as what happens when a network switch needs to be replaced. Is the switch you are using proprietary or can any power over ethernet rated switch work?
First of all , discontinuing a housing/model that’s a focus model for a big client or a standing order with a distributor would be counterintuitive. Secondly, if we did [discontinue a focus product], and the replacement was designed for Cat7 or Cat8 (for a reason that has yet to present itself), we would undoubtedly ensure that its replacement would be backward compatible with Cat6. As you’re talking to the manufacturer, you can count on it. As to whether the system is universal – it is not; not yet anyway so there are a limited number of third-party OEM integrations at this point. But we do already have some. We’re technology partners with Vertiv/Liebert, Tripp Lite/Eaton and others. We have controls interop with certain Philips lighting products like many of their A19 smart bulbs; and for fixtures that are not compatible, that must run on 120-277, we have a retrofit connector that allows us to control On/Off/Dim and incorporate that fixture into scenes/zones through our controls platform. To take it a step further, our BMS, Olympus is designed for the specific purpose of integrating with other OEM’s building systems to control and monitor all systems from a single dashboard. Finally – to answer your example about PoE switches – we use our proprietary switch, the Luminetworx™ GigaLyte-24. The GigaLyte has a power budget of 1KVA. If you can find a comparable switch with a similar power budget that uses the same power distribution standards that’s as cost-effective, and you want to use that to power the lighting, you may. But you will not be able to use the self healing features that are being implemented into the Olympus lighting control system.
A scene is predetermined light setting. It allows you to control multiple lights at the same time at the press of a button on the in wall light switch or from your smartphone with the Luminetworx™, the professional lighting control portal or via a timer.
The PoE smart pole is the latest innovation from LV Energy Systems. We have designed and created a fully PoE powered street light pole that can, power high output street lights, PTMP air fiber, public wifi, environmental sensors, emergency call boxes and even digital displays.
What is the expected long term support for this type of system? Meaning when the system reaches it’s end of useful life is the wiring going to be compatible with it’s replacement?
As of today, we utilize approximately one-half of a Cat6 cable’s power throughput potential. This type of technology – PoE-driven IOT products, low voltage controls and sensors, and automation – consistently favors energy-reductive goals to improve efficiency. The industry, the government (DOE), and the power utilities all incentivize reductive measures. So, in the unlikely situation where the next generation of PoE LED Lighting will evolve to become more wasteful instead of more efficient, we can be confident that the Cat6 wiring will be adequate to support up to double the current power throughput. We also use special assemblies to aggregate power distribution and reduce overall wiring. Once those are removed, the CAT6 infrastructure can be used with any system that uses conventional ethernet for power, connectivity, or both. Taking it a step further – while CAT7 and CAT8 may become the standard for communicating gigabit and multi-gigabit data packets across a digital network, they have not been merited with improving power resiliency as the copper gauge remains 23 for standard, 22 for plus or enhanced – the same as now with premium Cat6. As we don’t expect PoE lighting to fizzle, we can conclude that today’s PoE wiring infrastructure will be more than sufficient 15-20 years from now. And in the unlikely event that we need to supply more power to the future PoE lighting, we can double it.
That is a great question and a complicated and yet simple one to answer. LV Energy Systems is capable of installing lighting up to 2000′ from the PoE switch. Now most will say this impossible and if you were talking about traditional high voltage lighting then yes. But here is what happens as you try to run traditional line voltage at these distances. First the thickness of the cable would have to be quite large and this is due to “skin effect”. What is skin effect? AC or alternating current, for sake of simplicity turns on and off very quickly to either 50 or 60hz depending on what country you live in. That causes the electricity to flow on the outer surface of the copper cable leaving the core of the cable unused. Therefore the further you want to extend the cable the larger the cable diameter must be in order to deliver the appropriate voltage without voltage drop. DC voltage does not suffer from “skin effect” therefore it is able to use the entire copper cable. So although the wire is much thinner it uses it in its entirety and allows the power to flow greater distances ( very simplified answer) .
We take the security of the Luminetworx™ PoE lighting system and your phone very seriously. We employ computer industry best practices including encryption of the communication between each device and the user. The initial set-up of the system requires the user to be physically inside the property with proximity to each fixture.
In daily use, the system requires the username and password (stored in the app), set by the user at initial setup, for remote access to his lighting. Just as the user protects the username and password to his other on-line accounts, the Luminetworx™ lighting control system username and password must also be protected so that no one else can access the user’s account, lighting, and other connected devices. We recommend that users not share their username and passwords, not write them down where others could access them, or use easy-to-guess passwords such as “password,” home address, birthday, or the same passwords used with other online websites. If the user believes that his password may have been compromised, he should change it immediately.
We support both IOS and Android mobile phone operating systems.
Well, we have several layers of redundancy built into the PoE lighting system. Some are best practices to perform during the installation while others where built in while the system was being designed. Let’s start with power redundancy, This can easily be accomplished with the use of an inverter or even a UPS with battery packs. Additionally alternating the PoE switch and UPS/inverter for each light in a zone allows for a level of redundancy at a macro level. Connectivity, Luminetworx has built redundancy into the core of the PoE driver. Once a luminetworx PoE driver is paired to the cloud server the server now sends base configurations to the driver so that in the event that the internet or the local WIFI at the site goes down the PoE lighting system will continue to function as intended. We have also recently added a local microcontroller as an additional redundancy for more advanced configurations.
Many new features can be enabled with simple firmware upgrades and will automatically be pushed to all installed systems when they become available. Others will require new hardware which may be installed as a new insert or standalone system install.
Schedule an appointment to see the Luminetworx™ PoE Lighting system in action at one of our many client installations.
Where is support for the product coming from is it US based or overseas? Indicate support for software and hardware separately please.
Hardware and software support is US based with a redundant software support in overseas.
PoE lighting enables a facility to integrate into the digital building infrastructure, while allowing the facility to expand network capabilities by working with other systems and collecting data based on user requirements.
In many facilities, the Information Technology (IT) groups have taken on more of the management of building systems. Since PoE networks are well understood by the IT team, it may make sense to bring the lighting systems online with Luminetworx™.
Luminetworx™ PoE lighting has been sold in South Africa, Canada, USA and the UK. Will it work in other countries? The answer is yes the Luminetworx™ PoE switch is compatible out of the box with both 120VAC and 240VAC so it will work in most countries.
Yes, once initially paired all programming is encoded on every fixture, light switch and motion sensor. In the event of an internet outage all devices will continue to function.
With regard to safety: Fire might cut or melt the PoE wiring isolating people. Why would you want to use PoE rather than dedicated armored cabling and controls?
Definitely a concern and not to be overlooked in the design and layout of the PoE solution. Options include separating PoE paths, using redundant PoE switches, and even conduit to protect certain feeds of the Category cabling. Just like traditional emergency lighting systems flaws do exist, the challenge is weighing the good and the bad to determine which solution best meets the need of the current project.
Your control package requires your proprietary driver. What is the expected manufacture support for the system and for how long? With your competitor the driver in the LED fixture is universal and able to be replaced with many other competitor products.
50,000 Hours. Guaranteed. We can confidently make that guaranty as our drivers, when powered by our system, simply do not fail. They do not step-down power or wick it away into the Ether. Our sine-wave inverters supply our PoE switches with clean, consistent power; and our network switches supply 30W or less per port to each driver. Our drivers are not prone to the same damaging power as traditional drivers and ballasts. For this reason, we must use our own. Your remark about the competitor’s driver is not completely accurate.. True, many manufacturers make a universal TRIAC or ELV-ready dimming driver that accommodates TRIAC or ELV dimmer switches. But even the major brands, that furnish drivers like ours like ours do not have such universal compatibility. Take for instance, Signify (Philips) with their Interact Pro platform: (https://www.assets.signify.com/is/content/Signify/Assets/interact/global/20210510-interact-pro-enterprise-system-guide.pdf ) if you follow the link, see pages 42 – 44 for compatible fixtures – Ledalite, Philips and Daybrite are all their own products. The closest I could find to “universal” would be Acuity nLight, but they require nLight enabled luminaires, environmental sensors and smart dimmer switches. And while they make compatibility drivers, the interop isn’t as easy as plug and play so it’s not as easy as a quick swap.